1/IMPORTANT thread about Bluesky funding and origins. Many folks know that it was seeded by Jack Dorsey around a libertarian vision of a magical network that wouldn’t need moderation because it would be decentralized and baked into a protocol (somehow).
The people who aided Dorsey in pursuing this vision were other libertarian/post-rationalists connected with effective altruism and other online anarchist movements.
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Forse (he/him)
Als Antwort auf Dave Troy • • •Those people are "anarcho"-capitalists at best, ie feudalists, they have nothing to do with actual anarchism.
Aral Balkan
Als Antwort auf Forse (he/him) • • •Dave Troy
Als Antwort auf Dave Troy • • •2/One network called TPOT (‘that part of Twitter’) was instrumental. It carried over into Bluesky’s founding DNA.
Someone made this visualization in 2023, showing the TPOT/EA network quite clearly. EA as you know is part of TESCREAL and the belief systems that have driven Sam Bankman Fried and Elon Musk. SBF also put money into Musk’s Twitter buy.
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TPOT / PostRat | Know Your Meme
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Dave Troy
Als Antwort auf Dave Troy • • •theverge.com/2024/5/5/24149543…
Bluesky confirms Jack Dorsey is no longer on its board
Wes Davis (The Verge)Dave Troy
Als Antwort auf Dave Troy • • •4/🚨It gets worse. Blockchain Capital LLC was co-founded by Steve Bannon pal Brock Pierce, a major crypto advocate, perennial presidential candidate, and close friend of Eric Adams. Pierce has dozens of other shady MAGA/Russia ties as well.
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4/🚨It gets worse. Blockchain Capital LLC was co-founded by Steve Bannon pal Brock Pierce, a major crypto advocate, perennial presidential candidate, and close friend of Eric Adams. Pierce has dozens of other shady MAGA/Russia ties as well.
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Dave Troy
Als Antwort auf Dave Troy • • •nypost.com/2021/11/23/eric-ada…
Eric Adams flew to Puerto Rico on bitcoin billionaire's private jet
Theo Wayt (New York Post)Dave Troy
Als Antwort auf Dave Troy • • •6/Possibly Bluesky can address this by discussing their funding in detail, the expectations of the funders, and whether the TPOT/PostRat community is still a principal driver of the vision for the "company." But this all points to another rug pull in progress, and a lot of credulous people hurt.
While it is reasonable that the company acknowledged that Dorsey's vision of "moderation by protocol" was unfeasible, it sets up a highly centralized model that is now subject to capture.
Dave Troy
Als Antwort auf Dave Troy • • •7/And the next investment they took was from anarchocapitalist cryptobros with ties to Russia? Doesn't add up.
For those interested, here's the original post I shared here back in 2023 re: the TPOT DNA and origins of the network.
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Als Antwort auf Dave Troy • • •8/From Bluesky's press release:
"[Blockchain's] Kinjal Shah will join our board. Kinjal shares our vision for a social media ecosystem that empowers the people who use it, and we are glad to have her support as we invest in driving the adoption of decentralized social."
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Bluesky Announces Series A to Grow Network of 13M+ Users - Bluesky
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Als Antwort auf Dave Troy • • •Moss Wizard
Als Antwort auf Dave Troy • • •The Nexus of Privacy
Als Antwort auf Dave Troy • • •Thanks for the thread. I agree with your recommendations: Bluesky needs to publish a clear and convincing "trust story"; and peopel should be very skeptical about the long-term possibilities of Bluesky.
Also, on the moderation front, Dorsey was replaced on #Bluesky board by Mike Masnick, who's also very libertarian. Masnick's a lot smarter than Dorsey, and does understand the importance of content moderation. Still, one of the examples Masnick's "Protocols not platforms" paper that inspired Bluesky (and Nostr) uses to discuss about why the protocol approach is better is that it allows Alex Jones fan to still reach his audience: "those who don’t wish to be bothered with his nonsense need not deal with it; those who do wish to see it still have access to it."
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I still see Bluesky as a useful short-term Twitter alt
... mehr anzeigenThanks for the thread. I agree with your recommendations: Bluesky needs to publish a clear and convincing "trust story"; and peopel should be very skeptical about the long-term possibilities of Bluesky.
Also, on the moderation front, Dorsey was replaced on #Bluesky board by Mike Masnick, who's also very libertarian. Masnick's a lot smarter than Dorsey, and does understand the importance of content moderation. Still, one of the examples Masnick's "Protocols not platforms" paper that inspired Bluesky (and Nostr) uses to discuss about why the protocol approach is better is that it allows Alex Jones fan to still reach his audience: "those who don’t wish to be bothered with his nonsense need not deal with it; those who do wish to see it still have access to it."
knightcolumbia.org/content/pro…
I still see Bluesky as a useful short-term Twitter alternative (Meta and Threads are already doing all the things that Bluesky is likely do in the future, it's a lot easier to get up and going on Bluesky than Mastodon, and Blacksky is the only thing I know of in the decentralized world that's a good path for Black Twitter. Still, even without all the important points you make, and the "we don't have to ban Alex Jones" factor , they're a venture-funded startup, so once they need to monetize they're very likely to turn to an exploitative business model. So while it's situationally useful, it's not a promising long-term base.
Protocols, Not Platforms: A Technological Approach to Free Speech
Mike Masnick (Knight First Amendment Institute)Dave Troy
Als Antwort auf The Nexus of Privacy • • •@thenexusofprivacy thank you for that thoughtful commentary. I discussed a lot of this stuff with Dorsey ages ago, and know where it comes from.
Practically, I'm most concerned with the latter points you mention, about its funding model and likely trajectory.
The Nexus of Privacy
Als Antwort auf Dave Troy • • •TransitBiker
Als Antwort auf The Nexus of Privacy • • •Kevin Karhan
Als Antwort auf TransitBiker • • •nodds in agreement
#BrownSky is just absurd and the folks who use it learned nothing from #tumbkr, #twitter and #NSAbook!
Radical Resilience Film
Unbekannter Ursprungsbeitrag • • •To call these people anarchists in the first post of the thread is just misleading and incorrect. Because as others here say, anarchy is about abolishing all oppression and hierarchy and not just the state.
Dave Troy
Unbekannter Ursprungsbeitrag • • •Moss Wizard
Unbekannter Ursprungsbeitrag • • •Dave Troy
Unbekannter Ursprungsbeitrag • • •Dave Troy
Unbekannter Ursprungsbeitrag • • •Moss Wizard
Als Antwort auf Dave Troy • • •Dave Troy
Unbekannter Ursprungsbeitrag • • •Moss Wizard
Als Antwort auf Dave Troy • • •Panda Cab
Als Antwort auf Dave Troy • • •I am yet another person telling you to get more accurate information about anarchism and not conflate it with the non-anarchist movement known as anarcho-capitalism.
Their hatred of state regulation is not a critic of state power as a whole and they do not oppose hierarchical organisations, but want to impose one.
Please, you're an investigative journalist, I think you owe your readers a more accurate article.
Rich Puchalsky ⩜⃝
Als Antwort auf Dave Troy • • •Anarchists do not consider "anarcho-capitaiists" to be anarchists. All anarchists oppose capitalism, and all anarchism is against all forms of hierarchical control, not just the state's.
You've created a long thread of people telling you the same thing over and over, none of which was necessary to what you wanted to write. This kind of "anarchists want to destroy the state, and so do warlords, therefore warlords are anarchists" just isn't going to fly on Mastodon.
@Moss
Chris Johnson
Als Antwort auf Radical Resilience Film • • •Kevin Karhan
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