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"Intel admits what we all knew: no one is buying AI PCs"

People would rather buy older processors that aren't that much less powerful but way cheaper. The "AI" benefits obviously aren't worth paying for.

xda-developers.com/intel-admit…

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It will be hard to gauge this sentiment when all new PCs and Macs are AI enabled.

This is already the case with some smartphone models, particularly the iPhone.

I've had an iPhone 11 for going on 6 years and I've never used Siri. I also don't plan to use Apple Intelligence when I upgrade to the iPhone 17 this year, mostly for the 5G and better cameras.

I immediately disabled it on my M4 Mac Mini and don't know if I'll ever turn it on.

@tante

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@svavar it would be interesting to see how AMD's numbers look like for comparison. ARM and RISC-V probably aren't at the moment that big to make a difference.
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@xgebi @svavar yeah it's a bit complicated cause a lot of people buy the modern AMD processors not because of the AI stuff but because they are the best bang for the buck for gaming PCs.
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Seems like good news lol. Lately I'm wondering what share of people hyping AI to exaggerated levels are doing so because they have money on the line, or because they actually believe their proclamations
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I learned that all these ML units on existing Gadgets will never work as promised and were pretty much produced for the trash bin.
Edge computing personal, private AI assistant my ass!

#AI #EdgeComputing

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Saving cloud providers and CPU vendors from Moore’s law is the main promise of the AI hype.

I replaced my main laptop at the end of 2023. The old one was a late 2013 MacBook Pro (Haswell) and, for most things, it was fine. The battery life wasn’t great (even after replacing the battery) but the only things where it was slow were games (most people play games on phones now) and building LLVM (most people do not do that). The 16 GiB of RAM was tight running multiple VMs (most people do not do that). If it still got security updates, it would be a fine machine for most people.

At Azure, the most popular VM classes are the older ones, to the extent that some old ones will actually be newer Intel chips with Hyper-V disabling some new features and lying in CPUID to pretend to be a slower chip. Azure buys the new chips to get better density, but few customers care about the faster performance.

If you care about growth then you need something to convince people that they need more compute than they currently do. Behold, AI is the saviour!

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Most people don’t like things which are marketing-officially smarter than themselves. ;)
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I put in effort to make sure things are NON-AI when i buy them
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Hopefully, people are voting against AI BS in the most efficient way possible - with their wallets. @tante
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@Sibshops it has a chip that is more efficient doing neural network calculations.
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does even someone know which intel processors are currently the current one?
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The error is giving consumers a choice. Discontinue old processors and make IA mandatory, you cowards.
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Pay extra money to make it even easier to steal my personal information so you can advertise to me more effectively, for a feature I'll never use that virtually nobody is asking for?

AI is like blockchain, it's a solution looking for a problem. A lot of the things I see AI being heralded for are problems we solved with "basic" automation and some math 20 years ago for a fraction of the cost.

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“Meteor Lake and Lunar Lake are great, but come with a much higher cost structure”
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The AI Bubble is going to burst and it could take some major players with it.
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Consumerism is dead for me. I can't ever get what i want. I'm constantly disabling crap that's forced down my throat. Fuck em!
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The quotation-marks are at the wrong place, it should be

AI “benefits”

instead of

“AI” benefits

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Yeah, most people will see little benefit in a CPU with upward of 200 cores and/or an integrated GPU :p
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While I might find some use for the inferencing capabilities of current gen CPUs if I put in some effort I'd prefer to have it optional. There's nothing "AI" I'd use so often I'd need dedicated circuits for it, and looking at the performance improvements by iGPU alone that's more than enough. If I'd need more a dedicated GPU or even just some kind of inferencing accelerator like Coral TPU might make more sense.

That being said, I guess corps and me have different ideas of what kind of "AI" I want to run locally. I'd prefer object recognition for image organization, speech to text, translation tools, they obviously think of LLMs.

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did Intel wake up from it's nap? I think lunch is over.
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what goes up must go very down.
Also I am not gonna upgrade my PC like ever, so
... yeah, lol.
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not only that, but I literally will refuse to buy, sell, use or even look at any device eith a "#CopilotKey" and/or marketed as #Copilot+ or having #Windows11 preinstalled to begin with!

If I had the €€€€€€ necessary to do it I'd start an #upcycling business (likely as cooperative) just to collect all the #surplus'd machines and put modern #Linux on them and sell those at rock-bottom pricing.

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I guess the problem is not with the CPU capabilities, but the term "AI PCs" currently means "windows with spyware up to eleven"
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@nixCraft That's the reason that makes the refurbished market and alternative OS much more interesting at the moment. A feature without proper demand is simply useless, no matter what the marketing B/S tells us.
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Even when Raptor Lake is worse than AMD Ryzen's Zen 4 & 5 in nearly every way? And fried themselves permanently and some of those who had the issue still haven't gotten it resolved from Intel?
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I would happily by a cheaper version of arrow lake without an NPU if they made one. It's crazy how much an Ultra 5 costs
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Maybe Intel should go back to selling chips and NUC’s. They go back to selling computers that people want.

They might have some good sales for a change

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The thread for the article had several people arguing that all software will soon include AI and people are foolishly rejecting the hardware to support it.

That utterly misses the point that most people dislike generative AI.

Personally I feel that the use of generative AI is an atrocity and a deliberate assault on culture and human dignity, and I refuse to use it. I'd quit working in IT if I have to, to get away from it.

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I think the bigger issue here is that a lot of consumers are going for more battery efficient arm laptops and these Intel AI PC’s may boost some niche AI performance don’t benefit what 99% of people want out of a laptop
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@dustinbucher tell me about it. I want to buy a new laptop that has a long battery life, does not spin up fans while being 90% idle and is not a Mac. I am willing to pay good money for it and nobody seems to want to offer that.
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I feel the same kind of pain. I’m not huge on windows but I feel like I’m stuck on Mac because I can’t even get a laptop that won’t burn my lap or last more than a few hours and there’s not really any Linux support for some of the work I like to do.
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@dustinbucher Yeah. Aside from the abysmal keyboard Macbooks are okay but I can't run Linux on there and MacOs is getting worse every release (have to use a Macbook at work)
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I like the build quality, great third party apps, and using Xcode but I agree. Every release it gets a bit more locked down and it feels like I’m constantly being pestered to subscribe to their services.
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@dustinbucher Hehe. Same. Have to use it for work. Promising processor, let down by atrocious software and design. You should check out my periodic screams of agony on here 🫠
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I noticed that if you ask Google a question it gives you an AI answer at the top of the page... Using vast quantities of electricity to generate that super duper answer instead of providing a link to a web page on the subject... People that make web pages have experienced a lot less traffic because the AI answer is often enough for the web surfer... Anyway: you can prevent Google from displaying an AI answer by typing minus sign AI anywhere in the question...

-AI

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I’m curious. What are the alleged “benefits” of AI on a PC?
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@trogluur

"Intel has tried to position itself at the forefront of the AI PC revolution, but based on the company's latest financial report, it looks like that revolution isn't happening yet."

And will not happen within the life of Sam Altman

It is all a grift

#AI #CheatGPT

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it is just their Lunar Lake CPU's efficiency. We buy lightweight laptops for long lasting battery life. We consumers dont care about Copilot+ features. We can apply background effects using gpu and Microsoft Copilot is not working locally. So, an NPU inside a laptop is not necessary, just waste of space and cost.
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if only they'd make those "ai" chips more useful for the only consumer software mass market users are willing to plunk down cold hard cash for (games)
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I think this is wrong. The problem is more like nobody wants AI the way Microsoft implements it. I like the more discrete way Apple is doing it, clearly asking does it make sense to add AI features here and that users actually will find it useful and adopt it. I’m not using any AI on my Windows ARM laptop other then design in PowerPoint. But frequently use some of the Apple ones on my AIR even it doesn’t support Norwegian yet… Just my thoughts…