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Holy shit.

The Russian gov send in an abuse request for the @Bellingcat to be removed from mstdn.social :amaze:

I am not gonna comply, and have replied to Hetzner

No way I'm gonna let the evils of the gremlin dictate stuff on anything I host

UPDATE: Hetzner ignores their requests and we're in the clear: mstdn.social/@stux/11366257336…


Nice!♥️ Got a reply and Hetzner just ignores the bullshit from the Kremlin

Wish it where that easy with the war in Ukraine..


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Als Antwort auf stux⚡

Dear Putler,

Go fuck yourself to hell.

Sincerely

teilten dies erneut

Als Antwort auf stux⚡

got something similar some time ago, replied almost the same, was good for Hetzner 😅. You are just required to answer, and “fck you” is sufficient.
Als Antwort auf Tobi

@tobi "Russian censorship agency, go fuck yourself."
@Tobi

jan maria ullrich hat dies geteilt.

Als Antwort auf Tobi

@tobi from a legal perspective, the traditional response is "we refer you to Arkell v Pressdram, 1971" -which then requires any unfamiliar with that precedent to look it up before discovering the response is "fuck off"

proftomcrick.com/2014/04/29/ar…

@Tobi
Als Antwort auf Steve Loughran

@stevel @tobi Another good one is a letter from Cleveland Stadium Corp to Dale O. Cox replying to a legal threat made from fans throwing paper planes in the stadium:
Als Antwort auf stux⚡

Yyyeeeehhhheeee....✊️✊️✊️✊️✊️...🤜🤛....✌️👉...To HELL...🤘
Als Antwort auf stux⚡

BTW

Please feel free to send some fun mails to that address :cat_hug_triangle:

Keep the fuckers busy for a while

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Als Antwort auf stux⚡

That email address appears it might have a unique username component, associated just with this case or a specific office. I suspect Roskomnadzor has dealt with email bombs before.
Als Antwort auf stux⚡

Thank you for posting this and thank you for your excellent response.

There's no end to how insidious Russian manipulation is in trying to shift views, and there's much too much apologia for it online — including on the Fediverse.

Being open and transparent about it like this is super helpful in combating it.

Als Antwort auf stux⚡

We are talking about decentralisation, but what exactly will happen if, for example, Russia blocks server X. Will people in Russia who are on server A be able to continue reading accounts on server X?
Als Antwort auf Distante

@Distante I recently read that Russia blocks Hetzner.
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Als Antwort auf stux⚡

About the same weight as a DMCA takedown notice 🤡
Als Antwort auf stux⚡

Well, that's a follow.

I wish I knew the exact post that has them sweating, undoubtedly something true and secret that they didn't think could be implied by evidence.

People who conduct assassinations probably should not let things they are afraid of be known. But they wouldn't be violent if they were clever.

Yeah, fuck you Putler.

Als Antwort auf stux⚡

bwhahahaha, thanks for the amazing reminder to donate again xD
Als Antwort auf stux⚡

bellingcat is helping save the world. We must protect them at all costs
Als Antwort auf stux⚡

If we do need to comply with Hetzner on this, I'm gonna look into an option to get mstdn.social in-home, like literally so they won't be able to touch anything

But that's a last resort since I do not have the hardware not money for that currently

At least there's options just in case

@Bellingcat

teilten dies erneut

Als Antwort auf stux⚡

If Hetzner really want to comply with this - then it is the wrong step and we should show that to Hetzner...
@Bellingcat
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Als Antwort auf stux⚡

If it comes to migrating the service away because of politically motivated cease and desist, then I would not be surprised if a provider like @freedominternet is more than happy to help you out. Their dedication to having an open and accessible internet aligns pretty well with this, after all. Before going the route of self-hosting stuff, I would give them a call.
Als Antwort auf stux⚡

Now might be a good time to do a in-instance pop-up notification to your users and warning that you may experience downtime and why.
Als Antwort auf stux⚡

we could also set up a separate bellingcat instance if that would be more appropriate or convenient.
Als Antwort auf stux⚡

@koen
Same. More than willing to help out, have them on Exquisite or setup an instance for them. Bellingcat is doing incredibly important work (and so are you by the way) :flan_heart: :flan_hacker:
Als Antwort auf stux⚡

Hetzner has previously taken action re: Russian dealings. So 🤞

lowendbox.com/blog/hetzner-tel…

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Als Antwort auf stux⚡

Isn't Herzner known for taking down queer(-friendly) instances without really letting them defending themselves?
Als Antwort auf stux⚡

What is the current server at hetzner?
I am evaluating if I can help if you go hosting@not-DataCenter.
Als Antwort auf stux⚡

Have to wonder how #Bluesky could stand up to this kind of pressure. Long live decentralization and the #fediverse. Thanks, Stux.
Als Antwort auf stux⚡

look into the cybergeek brand on amazon. you’d be amazed at what 550$ can get you. Do it quick before drumpf causes the prices to treble. Don’t be afraid to ask users to help you with it. I’d throw a 20$ bill your way just for shits and giggles.
Als Antwort auf stux⚡

I guess Hetzner just forwards it without any opinion. I wouldn't panic. Russia doesn't have any jurisdiction in Germany or the Netherlands. It's pure bluff.
Als Antwort auf stux⚡

I have no idea about your requirements but you can contact me for hosting if necessary
Als Antwort auf stux⚡

if Hetzner will kick you or similar just DM me and we provide you a server free of charge for it
Als Antwort auf stux⚡

luckily you won't have to, but I would chip in if necessary.
Als Antwort auf stux⚡

if the Russian government wants them taken down, I should follow them. @Bellingcat has a new follower
Als Antwort auf stux⚡

What’s the adequate reply to this email?

Wrong answers only.

I will allow myself to start:

“Since when did gas stations start sending abuse notices?”

Als Antwort auf stux⚡

And now I follow Bellingcat. The Russian government can go eat a bag of dicks.
Als Antwort auf stux⚡

Does it contain more details / explanation of what belingcat did wrong? Or russia just requsted deletion?
Als Antwort auf stux⚡

ehh Really wonder if anybody expected something to happen or some poor being just got hit by falling sh..-I mean order- so he/she just requested deletinon.

Maybe we can try to order them to get out of ukraine in 24hrs. Or maybe in 72 if they leave some vodka on current possitions...

Als Antwort auf stux⚡

I didn't realise Bellingcat was on mastodon. ty russia
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Gnosyz 🖖:straightally:
@tessarakt @th3rdsergeevich Roskomnadzor - Russian commission of monitoring, censoring and controlling the mass media. They are extremely aggressive since the 2022, banning tv shows, apps, books, movies, closing sites, reporting and sending violation reports and etc. They are extremely annoying
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Тр3тий Сергеевич

@ZySoua Roskomnadzor. Fuck, they've found out about us.

Maybe we should advise Russian users of mstdn to migrate lest they get DPI'd.

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Als Antwort auf stux⚡

Tell them that if they want to contact you they can download a Windows .exe file that functions (allegedly) as random number generator. That is, after all, what they ask others to do who wish to contact them.

krebsonsecurity.com/2021/06/ad…

stux⚡ hat dies geteilt.

Als Antwort auf stux⚡

Good for you Stux! 👏

Thank you for standing up for this, and for telling us about this going on!

This is like... what the Fediverse is made for, that the people who run it and the people who use it are at the same level instead of some weird corporation doing awful stuff behind closed doors..

Als Antwort auf stux⚡

This served as a good prompt for me to follow @Bellingcat. Thanks, Russia!

teilten dies erneut

Als Antwort auf stux⚡

Watch out, they might fine you more money than has existed in all of history bbc.com/news/articles/cdxvnwkl…
Als Antwort auf stux⚡

interesting that they've decided the Fediverse is big enough to start worrying about 😀
Als Antwort auf stux⚡

Sent some money to help with the hosting costs because of this.
Thank you for hosting mstdn.social, all the time you put into it, and dealing with harassment like this.
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Als Antwort auf stux⚡

The best way to fight this?

Each censorship attempt equals a donation to the Ukrainian Armed Forces to whip these mofos' nazi ass.

Telling them so. "Thank you. Your latest attempt at censorship earned x$ for the UAF", or something like that.

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Als Antwort auf stux⚡

Fediverse is sort of resilent to individual server blocks, because all content stays accessible via server-to-server federation
Als Antwort auf stux⚡

but every media outlet should really have their own server on the fedi. this is our killer app for journalistic freedom. why AP should win.

it's why I always bring up @mondoweiss already running their own server. I'm sure they are constantly pissing off the Israeli govt, who will spin such stories as antisemitic and probably convince a few admins of that view.

we can't have access to important stories going viral dictated by a few rich people, VCs or corporate interests.

Als Antwort auf stux⚡

I suppose they're tracking which accounts interact with the reaction to their request...
@Bellingcat
Als Antwort auf stux⚡

Le gouvernement russe a demandé la suppression du compte @Bellingcat sur mstdn.social, ce qui soulève des inquiétudes quant à la censure croissante sur les réseaux sociaux. Ce développement met en lumière les défis auxquels sont confrontées les plateformes indépendantes face à la pression gouvernementale pour censurer le contenu critique. 🔒📉 #Censure #LibertéDExpression #Bellingcat
Als Antwort auf stux⚡

You know you're doing something right when you get emails from The Kremlin asking to take shit down. Keep up the great work!

@Bellingcat

Als Antwort auf stux⚡

I don't see any recent post about Russia or Ukraine in @Bellingcat 's timeline. Is there anything I've been missing ? Or is it a long prepared war against any potential threat to the Kremlin's crappy propaganda ?
Als Antwort auf Nelfaneor

@Nelfan I think, it was not one post. They are investigative journalists analysing propaganda and fake news. I can only recommend their work (mostly on Discord). @stux@mstdn.social @Bellingcat
Als Antwort auf stux⚡

well, let's just hope hetzner are not going to just cancel your account like they usually do...
Als Antwort auf stux⚡

You seem totally unaware of the fact that bellingcat is a US propaganda tool.
Als Antwort auf stux⚡

The head of Roskomnadzor is on the EU sanctions list, cf. eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-conten…

This action, again performed under his leadership, again "create[s] a censored information space that promotes, aids and condones the Russian armed aggression against Ukraine."

I would propose reporting this to the appropriate Commission service.

Lars hat dies geteilt.

Als Antwort auf stux⚡

Bellingcat is welcome to set up a backup account @fairdinkum.one - in fact they should set up dozens all over Mastodon. 👍

P.S. #FuckRussia!

Invite: fairdinkum.one/invite/aNgdcESz

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Als Antwort auf stux⚡

Since when does Russia have any sway on what's posted on Social Media )Bessides X that is.

therecord.media/russia-doubles…

"They are doing it as we sit here."
Special Counsel Robert Swan Mueller III

"Russia, Russia, Russia, it was all a hoax, fake news"
D. tRump
An Exhaustive Compendium of Russian Collusion & US Election Intrusions and
Propaganda
tinyurl.com/5a3raftm

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mastodon - Link zum Originalbeitrag
Lars
@3BearNight 😂😂
Als Antwort auf stux⚡

TBH, if Hetzner take action on that and not the ddos sources in their network, something is going seriously wrong.
I agree with the others on this, roscomnadzor are just trying their luck. They have zero teeth outside Russia.
Als Antwort auf stux⚡

Have they tried carrying sunflower seeds in their pockets? I've been told it's a great homiopathic cure for all sorts of mental illnesses, anxiety, inferiority, paranoia, ethno nationalism. Perhaps that would work instead 😏 of deplatforming @Bellingcat
Als Antwort auf stux⚡

Little Putler doesn't know what to do and tries to intimidate others who disagree with him. Like a small child that nobody wants to play with.

@Bellingcat

Als Antwort auf stux⚡

Hey @mookie This thread made me think of your "Best to avoid Hetzner" posts a few days ago.
Als Antwort auf stux⚡

might be a good time to campaign for dismantling of the laws designed to enable such abuses.

5 seconds edit: This just reads a lot like DMCA and similar laws all over the globe. Not sure if those applies here though.

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Als Antwort auf stux⚡

Als Antwort auf stux⚡

I would have liked to have seen the last few address lines of the communication.
Als Antwort auf stux⚡

узкие занесли свои крысиные лапки над феди
дай нам всем бог терпения и настойчивости
Als Antwort auf stux⚡

Fucking russian clowns.

But that reminds me: The book "We are Bellingcat" is still on my TBR. I will put it on top.

Als Antwort auf stux⚡

Let's see how long it takes the Trumpies to echo that Russian take-down request in the US.
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Als Antwort auf stux⚡

did they report a specific thing? Or just the entire profile?
Als Antwort auf stux⚡

I wonder if Hetzner is acting legally in responding to the Russian state; perhaps they should check that with their lawyers; would it be counted as 'technical assistance'?
Als Antwort auf stux⚡

@Bellingcat As a Russian, I can only say...

Thank you.

Als Antwort auf stux⚡

Hetzner should reply to the Russians with the bill to fix the baltic sea cable to Finland.
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Als Antwort auf stux⚡

I love asking people who do things for the Russian Government and Putin specifically

What does Putin's dick taste like?

#MAGAIdiots go insane when I ask this. I wonder why.

Als Antwort auf stux⚡

what’s the Hetzner everyone is talking about on this thread?
Als Antwort auf stux⚡

I'm using @hetznerstatus mainly finish servers - if they force you to remove bellingcat I'm closing my hetzner accounts
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Als Antwort auf stux⚡

Hahaha, and then russia wonders why they are so hated. Censoring people who can't even control. As a member of NAFO, this looks like another prime example of the kremlin's intellectual weakness. Pathetic.
@stux @Bellingcat
Als Antwort auf stux⚡

Btw. roskomnadzor blocks mstdn.social and whole Hetzner for retail internet users.
Als Antwort auf stux⚡

while I'm not a member of your instance, thank you for your transparency in this matter.
Als Antwort auf stux⚡

The fediverse is starting to come under attacks by state actors.

This will not end well. We are not prepared.

Als Antwort auf stux⚡

Well if Russia wants them gone then they must be worth following
Als Antwort auf stux⚡

Classic case of Streisand effect. First thing I do upon hearing this? Follow @Bellingcat - they must be doing something right
Als Antwort auf stux⚡

btw. since you're hosting users likely to be targeted by a government:

After dealing with this abuse request stuff, you might want to take a look at this, if you haven't already: devever.net/~hl/xmpp-incident

Als Antwort auf stux⚡

Roskomnadzor is a designated entity in the EU. Is Hetzner doing anything with their demands other than ignoring them or immediate refusal not material support?
Als Antwort auf stux⚡

Send Putin the Russian joke about Stalin's pipe: Stalin can't find his pipe, so he calls in Beria, his head of the secret police. Stalin says,
"Beria, someone stole my pipe. Find the guy." Beria says, "I'll get right on it." About a half hour later, Stalin calls Beria back and says, "You can call off your dogs. The pipe fell being my desk." Beria says, "What a pity. We have 13 suspects and 12 have already confessed."
Als Antwort auf stux⚡

fuck that Putin asshole and his request.
However, given that I heard about at least three instances of "hetzner decided to cancel my contract and deleted my data after just one email", I would advise for backups that are not hosted on hetzner and maybe a rough idea where you would like to host if hetzner drops you.
Also, a good time to get your domain name recovery codes etc etc.
Als Antwort auf stux⚡

Whiners gonna whine.
russia and its clownshow of a kleptocratic govt can fuck right off.
Als Antwort auf stux⚡

Naz*Rus* looks more alike radam (in Japanese Animation Tekkaman Blade) than gremlin as of the evilness.
Als Antwort auf stux⚡

What a terrible loss it would be, if CIAcat's account was removed. Better stomp your feet on the ground and show them evil Russians that only US can dictate here.

thegrayzone.com/2018/10/29/sha…

Als Antwort auf cwtshycwtsh

@cwtshycwtsh We do have rules against spreading mis info, what you seem to do here

So yeah

Meet the hammer :banhammer:

Als Antwort auf stux⚡

You need to answer with UA poststamps:

"Russian warship, go and f**k yourself" (as reported by worldwide media)
@Bellingcat

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Als Antwort auf stux⚡

I thought about this case.

1. As others noted: they didn't cite any broken law or offending text. Without any of this, IMHO Hetzner should just drop such a complaint.

2. As @Bellingcat is clearly a journalistic account, they have the protection of Art 5 GG. Even if you're not from Germany, Hetzer is and therefore this applies. Yes, this is meant for the state, but it should be applied to companies as well.

3. Ping some German journalists to push it to the general public.

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Als Antwort auf stux⚡

in the words of the defenders of Snake Island:

Русский военный корабль, иди на хуй

Als Antwort auf stux⚡

I wish you luck. If I understand correctly, Hetzner has a history of over-complying with such requests. 😬
Als Antwort auf stux⚡

Damn, not that it's needed, but that's one heck of an endorsement.

@Bellingcat

Als Antwort auf stux⚡

Please let us know what's happening in the coming days. I'm using a few #Hetzner services and if they decide to act like a ruSSian propaganda puppet I'll move all my data to somewhere else, let them know why I did it and tell others about it.
Als Antwort auf stux⚡

Stux is about to use the Castle Doctrine to the fullest extent, and I'm here for it.
Als Antwort auf stux⚡

If "The Federal Service for the Supervision of Communications" isn't the most dystopian phrase I've ever heard, it certainly makes the top five.
Als Antwort auf stux⚡

Someone should get a badge or bumper sticker for that.
Als Antwort auf stux⚡

Hi! Russian here, they are just bullying or looking for more reasons to ban hetzner or Mastodon server in Russia (since their argument only makes sense in Russian regime's "law"). I think Hetzner is smart enough not to take any actions based on that joke of a reasoning (I'm looking at you, Apple!).
Als Antwort auf stux⚡

Unfortunately, Hetzner may not accept that and just take down your server, considering what happened to itch.io last week...
@Bellingcat
Als Antwort auf stux⚡

I say congrats to Putin for exposing more people to Bellingcat.
Als Antwort auf stux⚡

perfect moment for a donation to keep this mastodon server running, keep up the good work!
Als Antwort auf stux⚡

This is just the latest in a string of problems I've been hearing about with Hetzner as a hosting provider: perhaps you should consider moving.
If @Bellingcat needs to go somewhere else, or wants to create a mirror somewhere, there are plenty of servers that would be happy to do so, with hosting companies that will have an immediate middle finger response to any requests for takedowns by the Russian government.
Als Antwort auf Raccoon🏳️‍🌈

@Raccoon It's no worry 😉

Hetzner is okay with it and just ignores their requests!

mstdn.social/@stux/11366257336…


Nice!♥️ Got a reply and Hetzner just ignores the bullshit from the Kremlin

Wish it where that easy with the war in Ukraine..


Als Antwort auf stux⚡

That’s great news in regards to the update. I really worried that they somehow managed to wrangle their way into copyright strike routines, but I guess it was an intimidation tactics in confines of Russian law.
Als Antwort auf stux⚡

Awesome, good on you for standing up to the bullies and cheers to #Hetzner!
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Als Antwort auf stux⚡

Thanks for update. Good precedent: Hetzner ignores (Russian) govt takedown demand.