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The announcement of #markzuckerberg today is proving us once again that #diaspora has a role to play in today's internet. This was already the case 10 years ago and we never really managed to keep the development pace high, but it still is a reliable piece of software.

I think I should have defended it more when the decision was taken at #framasoft to shut down #framasphere, the biggest french pod. Honestly, we could really have kept it online. I'm not going to go back on what happened now, but I think the important message here is, we need simple, privacy-respectful, easy-to-use social networks, and while diaspora* is far from perfect, it is still answering a need. Microblogging is a different thing and personally I really don't like it.

Maybe it's time to put around the table all the people who are ready to get involved and act?

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"Fact checking" always was mostly a bourgeois propaganda scam. Good riddance.
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That's about my opinion on concrete implementations I know of, and I wouldn't want such stuff on my favorite network. To me that would even be against the initial goals. Community notes on the other hand does fit them IMO, but I guess it would require much work to implement.
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@Robert Biloute - on diaspora-fr.org

People are feed up with walled gardens in general, at least a certain percentage, especial nun US citizens. These are just more drops in full glas that create the overflow ..

The fact checking BS is for us out here ridiculous anyway. Not only that, ultimately this is about "section 230" I guess. Or they are social media and not responsible for content or they do active content moderation/evaluation and are more likely to be seen as a newspaper (in my opinion).

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IMO, community notes vs. fact check is close to a distinction without a difference.
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could you elaborate @Mulkurul ? You think it's also easily rigged ?
You're probably right, everything running on a computer can't really be trusworthy.
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Simply, they are each a selected group endowed with a supposed ability to determine, or modify assertions. Never mind the computer trust rabbit hole. To mirror Fla's sentiment, we are all the community.
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Well at least community notes is supposed to be produced by anyone who is willing to participate as I understood it, in that sense it really fits the "we the community" approach. Now I don't know how it is implemented, and the devil often hides in implementation.
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@Robert Biloute - on diaspora-fr.org In every conversation out here we as a community are taking note and are fakt checking what comes around and goes around. Their problem is that they use algorithms promoting content, apply shadowbans, create extrem virility and pin point people and opinions against each other because that suits their interests. Without all that BS their (and our) world would be different.
(and they wouldn't be billionairs)

They are to big so they fail.

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@Mulkurul indeed, the eternal question

@utopiArte now I feel stupid : comments are basically community notes indeed ! but without obscure extra layers

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@Robert Biloute - on diaspora-fr.org

but without obscure extra layers


Of course, my point is that those extra layers are useless crap invented because they host way to many people in one place to begin with. Moderation is the real bottle neck out here. Lot's of small instances handle moderation fine inside the community.

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Receive the thruth fom.GaFAM AND MAGA community will be Marvellous and so greaat
The richest people on the planet and his army...clap clap
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“fact checking” (which I’m not even sure I understand what it is actually…)


Journalist (in France it was AFP) had the possibility to add the truth next to posts, when it was obviously fake news.
In practice, this had little effect because they could do it only a hours, sometimes days after the publication (so it had time to get viral before) and not on all of them. But still it was something.

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Journalists sometimes disagree about what is the 'truth'.
When they DO agree, it raises .....questions.
All I can suggest is to audit many sources and try to form an educated opinion, and to cut-out the middle man...
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@Fla
too little, far too biased on lots of subjects IMO (which is really unacceptable coming from mainstream journalism, because it has this kind of official legitimacy, which it is currently loosing at high speed because of mainstream fake news).

crowdsourcing this kind of job really seems optimal as I see it, even the only sensible method. But that implies you really implement free and "democratic" ideas by letting the community define its rules and its priorities, and give up on the many obvious advantages of controlling those rules and priorities.

@Fla
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I am not that optimistic, when I see the number of people especially in the USA who think that the earth is flat and has been created in 7 days, I don't think that crowdsourcing is such a good idea.
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I hear you, but then you don't believe in democracy anymore. I don't think the flat earthers have been created, they have always been here, I may even dare to say we are all flat earthers in our own way.
That's another story when people are in power, and may use all the tools at their disposals. That's why I personally fear mainstream fake news more than alternative ones. But then again, one day an alternative becomes mainstream, so it has to be a dynamic position, "where is the power ?" is all that matter to think straight.
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then you don’t believe in democracy anymore


Democracy works only when people are educated. This was already a challenge. Now with social networks there is another one: since Cambridge Analytica, it's clear it is easy to mass manipulate. So indeed, in the actual world, I don't believe that the result of elections is matching the actual opinion of people.
Also note that to have elections is not enough nor necessary to be in a democracy. Instead of being elected, policy makers could be randomly picked for example, it was like this in ancient Greece.

“where is the power ?”


Nowadays, it's where the money is. That being said, I don't feel like I need to know where it is nor to control it to have an happy life. Quite the opposite actually.

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Come on...
"fact checking" was the friendly buzz-word disguise for brutal censorship.
Now that more people are figuring this out they need another name. But censorship is censorship, whichever fig-leaf is trying to hide it.
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"community driven". Does it mean that the narrative is gonna be written by "The People" themselves in a sort of "democratic" way?
No, it just means Facebook has found new clever algorithms to promote certain narratives and "nudge" us towards the "truth".
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As far as I know, there was no censorship with the previous mechanism (I am not saying there was no censorship on FB, there obviously is, but that's based on their posting rules, not on journalists fact-checking). There was simply a message displayed saying that the content of the post maybe wrong.
But anyway I am not using Facebook since 2012 so I am not facing this.
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@Fla
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@Robert Biloute - on diaspora-fr.org yes, and the main problem with mass immigration is a problem of trust, BTW. Highly functioning egalitarian societies are in countries of high trust, and it's very difficult to trust people that think differently than you on important matters. Unsurprisingly, "happy countries" such as Denmark and Finland are also countries where not long ago, you could leave your door unlocked and your bike unattached on the streets everywhere. When the ring of trust is broken, it can turn very bad very quickly, see Yugoslavia.
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@Emmanuel Florac trust - opinion - thinking

All highly "relative" terms.
People, and I guess using that term always includes us all, are able to be highly opinionatet, even against their on opinion and interesta ft they get the issue framed the right way and from the get go. Ultimately that's what Goebels expertise was all about.
In particular the "fact checking" issue becomes very very problematic when it comes to politics, economy, sociology and international politics. None of the mentioned are "real" since, with hardly any facts. And in a world of mass WMD in Iraq, presented to the world in the UN by a foreign minister, there is no chance of not believing that the political world is flat as hell.
🙁

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@utopiArte elitism uh? Either you believe in democracy, or you believe in aristocracy. That the oligarchy be made of intellectuals doesn't make it any better than plutocracy.
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@Emmanuel Florac @Emmanuel
.. every image that I'm sending is in your brain different than what I have send.

Oligarchy that creates idiocracy so people are able to vote for fascists that dance in a town hall to their play list because their advisers told 'em that the lead is abismal already and only can lose points by opening their mouth leads apparently to a VC aristocracy of billionairs.
.. so there is that ..

I can asure you, nobody more proven to be and act for democracy and respect, even in idiotic circunstance, for the pure sake of it, because it's the only way to create some kind of stable and resilent evolucionary inclusive process.

Reality is reality and if you lose the ability to have a good laugh every once in a while, out of the simple reason to relieve your neuronal tensions, you might come into real trouble of emotional overreaction.
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@Fla
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Many words above.

No actual actions suggested.
Just jibber-jabber and virtue signalling.


Implementing change in *Diaspora itself is stuck because:

  • It is difficult to install.,
    • it uses Ruby, which is crap,
    • It is stuck on a dead data pump.
    • It was steered by left-wing ideologue developers, who push censorship.
      Remember FediBlock, created by them?



We can want to fix it -- but we can not.

Diaspora will piddle along on life support, forever
(although, the many pods currently dropping out now challenges that statement. diasp.org leaving in March takes out 12% or so more of the total users alone).

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Whoops – I left off:

After a dozen years, there is still no way to filter posts by your language or to move your account to another pod. You know … so that average users can survive dying pods.

How silly is that in a "fediverse environment"?

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Action suggested:

a. Create a group that monitors for censorship and acts to deal with it.

I suggested this 7+ years ago and even had an interested group.
It was powerless.

b. Recreate Diaspora using something other than Ruby and it's dead data pump with a new, non-leftist set of developers.

Like it or not, right-wingers censor less, Witness X (formerly known as Twitter)

.

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@pureblood

right-wingers censor less


Sure, tell that to those who perished in the concentration camps.
Or comment this about all the shit the elongated is doing on his privat platform now a days when ever his littel ego see's fit, or ask those who had some fun commenting truth to social.

What a BS people talk these days .. mind blowing.

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pureblood : feel free to join on X , Truth Social, Gab , Threads, MeWe, Parler
It's made by and for right wings
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Zuck would not have changed his policy if Kamala had won the election, I'm pretty sure
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feel free to join on X , Truth Social, Gab , Threads, MeWe, Parler


No thanks.
My job is to stay here and point out the moves by the evil leftists.


For the dummies still thinking that the NAZIs were "The Right";
they were actually "National Socialists". Quite left, thank you.


For those picking on Musk/X because the leftist corporate media tells you to do so:

  • He's egotistical. So what?
  • He released the Twitter Files; proving that the government suppressed truths and people.
  • He ousted thousands of pedofile accounts.
  • He continues to resist censorship from Brazil, the EU and the US.

Wake up.

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p.s. Still don’t see Action ideas for the O.P. other than mine.
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interesting short film about the news youtube.com/watch?v=xYAke_z3RV…
The News-Benders 1968 .
Thank you all for diaspora 😀
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right-wingers censor less


the only persons who block me on Diaspora are from the right wing

curious ?

no. They don't accept to debate and contradiction.

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Let's not turn this thread into something political. Diaspora* is dying. What I want to know is who is still interested about using this software, and who is interested to the point to contribute.
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@Emmanuel Florac If I saw that right D* is part of #yunohost, and it's also easy to click an instance from providers now a days.
That's a kinda new and very important detail.

Together with likes in comments, that's the basics to keep going in my opinion.

The rest of my considerations I detailed in a reshare of @Fla's post.

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Dying because less and less people ?
And less and less contribution to solve some requests ?

Regarding what's happen with X and Meta and others proprietary social plateform, it's important to keep running and improve the Federation social Platforms.

Diaspora vs Mastodon : i prefer to use D* . It's more clear and simple.

I don't know how to contribute but am willing to help.
Except learning Ruby or similar unfortunately.

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i use only diaspora and love it for one reason : it's lightweight compared to others socials, even mastodon. Even not an adv question, it's just it's working well and fking lightweight. It can even run on my windows 98.
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@pureblood

For the dummies still thinking that the NAZIs were “The Right”;
they were actually “National Socialists”. Quite left, thank you.


Ah, I see! So the Democratic People's Republic of Korea isn't a dictatorship. It must be a democracy because it's in the name. Thank you, I understand now.

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Just a reminder for morons who still ignore that the Nazis were ultra capitalist
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@Fla, I would hate for *D to 'die', I've been here since the beginning. The only way I can contribute is with funds, but recent attempts have proved impossible (their paypal is inactive and I have no crypto).
@Fla
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diaspora.fediverse.observer/
how can it die as it is open source and has lots of servers spread all around the world , only not many people even know it exists , so one way to help it is to promote it on podcasts and videos ,but never see this happening 🙁
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@Fla I would hate to see diaspora die, but it will certainly do so unless they make it easier to install and perhaps remove the absolute necessity of federating, so people can use it just "for friends and family," for example. That's not what it was built for and it goes against the diaspora "philosophy," so it'll never happen. But I bet it would be a very popular bit of software if it did, and then related pods could start interacting or federating with other pods of their own choosing.
@Fla
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Fla escribió:

Let's not turn this thread into something political.


Why is it so hard to ignore stupid and so easy to ignore the owner of the bar you are standing at?

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I do not see why public posts cannot be downloaded and stored somewhere - e.g. archive.org - or transferred to new pods.


I totally agree @harry haller, actually when joindiaspora went down I asked if they couldn't just take the fedeartion and communication process offline and transform the profiles into static pages. That would lead to a very simple and cheap historic archive, a special kind of profile graveyard.

I actually followed thru with that idea by creating a htmal webpage of the public content of a joindiaspora profile, here the result:
requeteche.tupambae.com/
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contribute is with funds


D* is FLOSS so I guess the best way to achive a goal like described by @Mullkurul is forking it on github and offer specific amount of money for specific requests.
Once the task is done the money is payed out.
The offer and payment could be managed even by accounts on sites like, kickstarter, patreon or even crypto.

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@utopiArte, I remember the whole funding thing was discussed years ago, and along the lines you propose, among othyers. That was on the blog, I think. I would like to contribute to my pod, but also would chip in for specific tasks, as you suggest. I messaged my 'podmin' via the link about the problem with donation, but have had no reply as yet.
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Whatever we do, let us decide right now not to let this become a political issue. Diaspora is too precious to fall to political infighting. Both the Left and Right and everyone in between need to come together to save this network in a nonpartisan fashion - it is home to so many people.

We can do this

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let us decide right now not to let this become a political issue


@baconicsynergy

Agreed.

Might want to start with most of the lead *D maintainers (who OKs changes to the system)

e.g.

denschub (Dennis Schubert) July 18, 2024, 10:38pm

If you don’t understand the official install docs, you should not run a pod, as there will be points where you need to understand the internals. There is no simple script.

If you want to run a “right-wing” diaspora pod, then please share the URL here so that everyone can block you - that’d make life a lot easier.


Like it or not -- they have disenfranchised ½ of the potential developers.

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*D is left-run and, just like communism, it kills innovation.

The result? *D has been on life-support for 10 years.

It does not even have a search** feature.

** which I would happily add, given a fair development environment.

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The above quote from Dennis Schubert above was addressed to me in a thread about simply making diaspora easier to install. Find it in diaspora's own Discourse forum here.
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+1 for @pureblood for hilarious comment on "communist" diaspora, this thread was becoming too serious
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@utopiArte That's only half the story. You can demolish their arguments as much as you want and they just ignore you and carry on.
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Whatever we do, let us decide right now not to let this become a political issue. Diaspora is too precious to fall to political infighting. Both the Left and Right and everyone in between need to come together to save this network in a nonpartisan fashion - it is home to so many people.


Bears repeating. If you want to bash conservatives or liberals, start another thread.

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Not that this has anything to do with reasoned argument

Examples of newly permissible speech on Facebook and Instagram highlighted in the training materials include:

“Immigrants are grubby, filthy pieces of shit.”

“Gays are freaks.”

“Look at that tranny (beneath photo of 17 year old girl).”

policy materials reviewed by The Intercept illustrate the extent to which purely insulting and dehumanizing rhetoric is now accepted.

The document provides those working on Meta user content with an overview of the hate speech policy changes, walking them through how to apply the new rules. The most significant changes are accompanied by a selection of “relevant examples” — hypothetical posts marked either “Allow” or “Remove.”


theintercept.com/2025/01/09/fa…

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@ℝ𝕠𝕓𝕚𝕟 Until your fascist friend @pureblood shuts their face, I'll go on bashing whoever, as much as I feel necessary. Ordinary conservatives and liberals are not much of a problem, but these nationalist liberals (nazis) combine the worst of both, they are like poison in the water.

Zuckerberg's recent decisions are purely political, while D* has been progressively destroyed by its nazi parasites.

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Actually I always try to point out that the real bootle neck of social media is moderation. A agreement by podmins of size restriction for pods, based on work load for moderators, and their very own mental haelth could be a good thing for a healthy decentralized system. "Megasites" like joindiaspora or mastodon.social don't do any good to the community.
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@utopiArte You right about moderation being the bottleneck, but this would be easily solved if everybody learned how to use the ignore button:

  1. go to @pureblood
  2. click on ignore
  3. problem solved

We are all moderators on our own threads

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@John Rooke The mute, ignore and blocking button do and should exist on every level, on the user and the instance level.
The fact that these are "negative" sorting tools points to the option that the contrary should exist too. Actually it does on the server level, at least of some fediverse software.
These are basic technical tools, without any doubt necessary in the environment the internet is as of now.
These tools evolved out of reality, at first we didn't have them and SterlingK was probably the first to evidence the need for them.
And of course, these tools could be refined and their transparency probably improved.

That said, if the even more basic tool of respect, a concept Aretha Franklin explained already in quite an impressive manner, would be applied by all of the participants in our conversations, these tools weren't even necessary. And as such is the case, a setup of smaller instances would make moderation on the administrative level much easier and here for the fedi a better place.

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My @John Rooke ...
You seem awfully angry.
Why is the left so very angry and incapable of ______.
XOXOXO to you John.
Ask your mom for a big hug.

My action item remains.
½ of potential developers are disenfranchised by that sort of intolerant crap.

Regardless, the left has owned *D and it shows in zero real innovation and dropping user counts.

Work together -- or just continue to fade away.

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I tend to favor the Ignore button only at the user level only, but that's my idealism I guess.
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Le fact-checking sur Facebook ce n’était pas de la censure. voilà comment cela fonctionnait dans lemonde.fr/les-decodeurs/artic…
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@Serge Pierre Gilbert Cheminade le fact-checking dans les grands journaux est un mélange de propagande et de censure. Bien évidemment que le Monde prétend que ça n'en est pas. Le Monde est aussi fiable que la Pravda des années 70 comme source d'information : c'est à dire à peu près factuel, mais toujours extrêmement orienté et au service du pouvoir.
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Ignore button is weak, read all the person say and somehow reply to another in same thread but never that person you ignore. No reply to him, just show that person you read all but ignore him. Even when he mention you and in no way ever text a letter to him > that is ignoring.
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Si ils pouvaient checker tous les facts ce serait pas mal, genre ils feraient leur boulot quoi, révolutionnaire.
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@utopiArte Aren't the reshare and like buttons effectively the opposite of the ignore? I'm not sure that they need improving, It may be that we just need to improve as a community.

I agree with you about respect. However respect is earned as well as given. I find it difficult to respect anyone who calls themselves "pureblood", with its blatant racist overtones, who shows disrespect for others themselves, and (on other threads) defends Hitler. The only thing a free society cannot tolerate is the enemies of freedom.

I also think you are probably right about smaller pods. However, this hits against the lack of technical ability to set up and run pods. What would probably help is for admins to start charging users (and to feed back some of the money to an active development team).

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Also, do NOT forget the follow and tap notifications and create a new aspect named "Racists"
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@ȼłēⱥꞥ ᛗᵾɍҟɏ That is where community comes in. Community standards are important. We need to improve as a community. Showing respect includes excluding those who fail to respect others.
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@John Rooke It was sarcasm, besides a social media in a healthy state should defend freedom of speech. As long it does not go against the ToS. And therefore there are different pods or other instances where you can choose your political and ideological or other interest niche.
There comes the federated, here we can choose with whom we share by making aspects or using the pre set ones on top.
In an other sense also, there must be discourse and controversial to others opinions as well. In short, I see no reason to abandon this project and mostly not D*
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@John Rooke

In my opnion you are constantly dismissing @Fla's request to skip politics and stay on topic here. In that regard I can't see any difference between you and the one you are trying to poke.

Please stop trying to use me to work on your goal, I actually find that embarassing.
👍

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@Fla
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Maintenant, concernant le financement de futurs développements de diaspora*, comme indiqué, c'est un logiciel libre : n'importe quel développeur peut ouvrir un pull request sur github pour suggérer une modification. Si elle est jugée intéressante pour le projet et d'une qualité technique suffisante alors elle sera intégrée. Libre à toi de payer des développeurs pour ajouter des fonctionnalités.
Il faut savoir que le niveau d'exigence en terme de qualité pour intégrer du code dans diaspora* est extrême élevé. Si les changements ne sont pas intégrés dans le coeur, mais que je les trouve intéressant, je pourrais les intégrer dans diaspora-fr et ils ne seront alors accessibles qu'aux utilisateurs de diaspora-fr.
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@Fla
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@Fla